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PostSubject: Re: Religion   Thu 19 Jun - 11:23

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A religion is an answer to who, and supports it with why, how, where, and when. It is up to you to choose religion as an answer to this question but the fact still stands that the question is there. We ask ourselves this question every second from birth to death and to be honest we may never know the answer, how we find the answer is based on what you believe the answer is. If you believe buddhism is the answer then the answer will be revealed through a cycle of good deeds, in Islam it is through submission to god, in Christianity it is by not sinning and faith in god. Not believing in a creator is fine but logic dictates that you still must find an answer to who. By being an atheist you are ignoring the question as to WHO (or what in the case of science). The need to know where we came from is a primal instinct and to avoid so makes you not human.
Calling it a primal instinct is inaccurate, I believe that humans are unique with the development of the brain to philosophize, and the result of such philosophy is the question of why, who, and how. To call it a primal instinct implies that even wolves, lions, cats, pigs and sheep develop their own theories as to who. Athiests do not believe in the who, they believe it does not need to be involved and is not necessary, but they have explored their origins in such great depth and used such brilliant candor that it renders the idea of a creator moot. Early civilization did not have such tools as radioactive dating to determine their origins. Instead early civilization used what little rationality they had to hypothesize their origins.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion   Thu 19 Jun - 18:08

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To call it a primal instinct implies that even wolves, lions, cats, pigs and sheep develop their own theories as to who.


Wolves,lions,cats,etc do not have primal insticts and using the word primal does not imply an animilistic trait. Primal is a word used to describe traits inherited from our ancestors, the early humans.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion   Thu 19 Jun - 19:11

Actually, if that is the interpretation you are using, then it becomes completely objective based one a person's belief.
I believe that our ancestors = animals with basic thoughts such as kill, eat, sleep, survive another day to reproduce.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion   Fri 20 Jun - 3:37

flys99 wrote:
A religion is an answer to who, and supports it with why, how, where, and when. It is up to you to choose religion as an answer to this question but the fact still stands that the question is there. We ask ourselves this question every second from birth to death and to be honest we may never know the answer, how we find the answer is based on what you believe the answer is. If you believe buddhism is the answer then the answer will be revealed through a cycle of good deeds, in Islam it is through submission to god, in Christianity it is by not sinning and faith in god. Not believing in a creator is fine but logic dictates that you still must find an answer to who. By being an atheist you are ignoring the question as to WHO (or what in the case of science). The need to know where we came from is a primal instinct and to avoid so makes you not human.

(NOTE) Many people address the human methods of answering "who" such as the SPECIFIC beliefs and rituals of a religion but these have nothing to do with the spiritual answers of a religion such as the Hindu concepts of the seasons of the universe.

You can justify yourself by pointing out that you do not make deliberate acts to "avoid the question" and you have yet to find an answer you believe in. It is when an atheist looks upon a religion (or answer) and questions it, does it make sense to question an answer? To question and answer to "WHO" is disrespectful to those who believe in that answer and live by it.

So please atheists stop addressing the issue through reference and analysis of Religion , it is quite disrespectful.


I'm an atheist, and I don't ignore the question as to what created us. Actually the answer to how humans came to be is quite obvious if you have any knowledge in evolutionary biology. Also, if you have any knowledge in the field of quantum gravity and/or quantum cosmology it's very plausible that the universe always existed, without the need of a Prime Mover(God). The entire idea of God is in my opinion very primitive and over-relies on blind faith, mythology, fear, and ignorance a bit too much. But far be it from me to stop anyone from believing in one.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion   Fri 20 Jun - 11:10

Well to me i kinda always went.

"We wont know, until it actually happens"

And it kills me that i have to even go by that but really, everyone is afraid of dieing and please for the love of jesus dont say your not. Cause really we all are, fear exists in all mankind.

Dont get me wrong im not all into the religion thing either even though i grew up as a catholic to me its just 50/50 really.

god dam im a f***ing hippie
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PostSubject: Re: Religion   Fri 20 Jun - 15:36


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PostSubject: Re: Religion   Sat 21 Jun - 1:24

I believe there isnt really a god, but we should all follow a simple code of common sence and good judgement, and the bible helps with that and keeps people on track, but now churchs seem to exploit people and w/e.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion   Sat 21 Jun - 17:49

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I've heard of ppl saying Zeitgeist is really good, but I haven't really watched it xD Is it worth watching it or
are most thinks are crap in the movie?

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PostSubject: Re: Religion   Sun 22 Jun - 8:54

To debate whether God is existent or nonexistent wold be futile. You just can't, since God is a belief more than a reality. All I'm seeing in this topic are these topics:

"God is not real."
"God did not create the the universe or human beings."
"Religion is just manipulating mankind to serve a false idol."
etc...

I am a Catholic and to be quite honestly I don't care if there is a God or not. Science should not be compared to Religion, rather it should compliment it and vice versa. Religion is not interested in how mankind began. I can't stress enough, that the first Book of Genesis in the Bible is 100% fiction. Don't let the fundamentals tell you different. And even if it is true, it wouldn't matter. This goes for every other 'How it began story' in any religion.

This is where Science comes in. Science fills in the gaps that Religion left behind. Discovered how it all began? Great. Found out how Jesus turned water in wine? Even better. Unlocked the secret to true enlightenment? Extraordinary. Anyone who has read 'Angels and Demons' by Dan Brown would realise that 'Science is heartless', which is true but I'm not trying to incriminate Science. Science is knowledge of the world and how it works while Religion is wisdom. In the eyes of Science, can you truly tell the difference between right and wrong? Good and evil? Justice and wrongfulness? Love and hatred?

Religion is the hope or the guide to a great many people across the world. Some people mistake Religion to be just mindless worshipping when it clearly is not. As a Christian, I'm obliged to do what is right in Jesus' eyes thus making the world a better place in my small way. Science is below conscience, it does not offer justice or true happiness (does technology really make you that happy? Or is it just some kind of puppet show put on to entertain you to make your life a little bit more comfortable). Conscience is even higher than man made laws and rules that bind us. Religion offers priceless wisdom and teachings that can benefit the entire human race. This wisdom can be interpreted in numerous ways, some for good and others for bad. Many people have tried to use the Bible as a weapon against Religion in the past.

If there is going to be a religious debate, it should be centered on the teachings of each Religion and not on the grounds of Science versus Religion.

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but we should all follow a simple code of common sence and good judgement

No truer words have been spoken. This is the fundamental in all religions.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion   Sun 22 Jun - 9:12

Synchronised wrote:
To debate whether God is existent or nonexistent wold be futile. You just can't, since God is a belief more than a reality. All I'm seeing in this topic are these topics:

"God is not real."
"God did not create the the universe or human beings."
"Religion is just manipulating mankind to serve a false idol."
etc...

I am a Catholic and to be quite honestly I don't care if there is a God or not. Science should not be compared to Religion, rather it should compliment it and vice versa. Religion is not interested in how mankind began. I can't stress enough, that the first Book of Genesis in the Bible is 100% fiction. Don't let the fundamentals tell you different. And even if it is true, it wouldn't matter. This goes for every other 'How it began story' in any religion.

This is where Science comes in. Science fills in the gaps that Religion left behind. Discovered how it all began? Great. Found out how Jesus turned water in wine? Even better. Unlocked the secret to true enlightenment? Extraordinary. Anyone who has read 'Angels and Demons' by Dan Brown would realise that 'Science is heartless', which is true but I'm not trying to incriminate Science. Science is knowledge of the world and how it works while Religion is wisdom. In the eyes of Science, can you truly tell the difference between right and wrong? Good and evil? Justice and wrongfulness? Love and hatred?

Religion is the hope or the guide to a great many people across the world. Some people mistake Religion to be just mindless worshipping when it clearly is not. As a Christian, I'm obliged to do what is right in Jesus' eyes thus making the world a better place in my small way. Science is below conscience, it does not offer justice or true happiness (does technology really make you that happy? Or is it just some kind of puppet show put on to entertain you to make your life a little bit more comfortable). Conscience is even higher than man made laws and rules that bind us. Religion offers priceless wisdom and teachings that can benefit the entire human race. This wisdom can be interpreted in numerous ways, some for good and others for bad. Many people have tried to use the Bible as a weapon against Religion in the past.

If there is going to be a religious debate, it should be centered on the teachings of each Religion and not on the grounds of Science versus Religion.

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but we should all follow a simple code of common sence and good judgement

No truer words have been spoken. This is the fundamental in all religions.


That's cool, but you do not need to believe in God to obey the laws of society. It's simply not needed to be a good person. Lots of religious people preach morality but don't practice it. Believing in a God was rational 2000 years ago, when they'd look at everything and say "Hows this work? Jesus dust.", but that's far in the past. First you believe in the Easter Bunny, then you grow older and believe in Santa Clause, then you grow older and believe in God. It's a delusion, and with the bloody track record of religion, should be treated as such.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion   Sun 22 Jun - 22:46

lol Iv'e created an online religious revolution, but seriously, it is correct say that w/o proof, is as simple as fantasmical and outlandish. It is more than safe to say. everyone wants proofm event he most renown priest and fathers have a shred of doubt or question about the existence of a being not proved, it's like claiming something fictional to be real.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion   Mon 23 Jun - 18:19

i follow my own code of rules, which mostly coincides with Buddhist beliefs so i just say im Buddhist
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PostSubject: Re: Religion   Mon 23 Jun - 19:44

But it still isn't, you shouldn't be ashamed to speak out hehe Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Religion   Tue 24 Jun - 13:10

I don't believe in anything =X
But, religion is complicated to me.
Religion doesn't require evidence, people believe because they can.
Religion is about faith and you don't really need evidence to prove anything.
It's like watching a movie, you know it's fake; yet you take that fact out and watch it with enjoyment, scared etc.
It's also a moral for those to follow, even though you don't really need religion to have life morals.
We have evidence that dinos came before human and other species, but we also have many questions with lead to many theories.
They're called theories for a reason for no one can fully understand or believe it.
I don't think there's enough for both sides, but I choose to not believe in anything.
Plus, many scientist were religious, and maybe still are today...
It makes life complicated. (:
In the end to me, faith = fear. =/
Just my opinion
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PostSubject: Re: Religion   Wed 25 Jun - 0:23

don't believe in shit... I live my life for no one else save your judgment for yourself-throwdown(a band)
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