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 |  Subject: Re: Religion  Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:06 pm | |
| | Quote: | 1. "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
2. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
3. Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
4. Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" |
1. God is very well able to prevent evil, but one of the main parts of christianity speaks about our free will, which makes us able to do whatever we want. Evil is the result of sin, and seeing we sin, evil happens. If God prevented evil from happening, he would prevent us from sinning, thus we wouldn't have a free will.
2. He's both able and willing to.
3. As said in #1, evil is the result of sins.
4. Trivial.
Now, I don't wanna get ridiculed for any of these statements. I'm very well aware that most of you aren't christians, but the quote above doesn't really fit christianity as it's described in the Bible. Besides, if God created everything we know of - wouldn't it make sense that he was beyond our logic? The quote tries to fit God into our logical thinking, which, according to us, can't be disproven. If God created everything from nothing, he'd be beyond logic.
Contructive replies are appreciated. Mindless posts are below this discussion's level. |
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| | Subject: Re: Religion Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:20 pm | |
| | A person trying to prove God doesn't exist like an ant trying to understand the internet. It's not going to happen. I would go more into details but nah, these are just some WoW Private Server forums. |
| | | | Guest
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| | Subject: Re: Religion Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:30 pm | |
| | grandpappy2k8 wrote: | | A person trying to prove God doesn't exist like an ant trying to understand the internet. It's not going to happen. I would go more into details but nah, these are just some WoW Private Server forums. |
Neither of us have been trying to prove him. We're merely discussing.
Besides, evolutionism hasn't been proven either.
And yeah, I know it's quite hard to have a civilized discussion on these kinds of forums, but it's an attempt. |
| | | | Mr.Ojohnson
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| | Subject: Re: Religion Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:09 am | |
| wel ive been a atheist since i was a child and have been critized about it since. people automatically assume im a devil worshiper and that im gonna sacrafice shit. but i just never got into the fact that their was something out their that could have created all of this, and alot of people dont like it but i hate the very thought of christians and all that because of certain things ive seen from them like corrupting the children to beleive that if someone doesnt beleive in god then you shouldnt hang around them or their devil worshipers and even grown men saying things i couldnt beleive like we should use up all of our natural resources because it doesnt really matter seeing how god is gonna save us anyway so lets just polute and do anything . but it also annoys me how some of these kids at school threaten you if you dont beleive in god and say that you could get jumped for saying things like god dam and its just really stupid because even i know that if god existed he wouldnt want you to be spreading his word around like this.
lots of grammar errors this was done at 5 a.m. |
| | | | gurglus
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| | Subject: Re: Religion Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:28 pm | |
| As i stated in another post at this forum, I believe as many others here that Gods are inventions of man as an understandable solution to what the human brain can't understand. Such as what happens after you die. This is a good example of what religion is all about really, besides teaching how to live your life "right", it's about explaining what can't be explained. Surely you could prove that the body rots away, and explain it as natural, but you can't prove that your soul (if you believe in it) doesn't live on or is transported to heaven or hell. Likewise you can't prove that there is an all mighty God beyond our understanding controlling every single action. Surely some people gets a feeling of importance knowing that someone/something has laid a road for you to walk on, but how logical is that really? I'm not trying to offend believers, but I believe the reason we're here is very simple; We're simply here to reproduce ourself and to evolve into something different, just like our ancestors (If you're an Atheist).
To sum up. I believe that if you're an Atheist you believe in what science can prove, and if you're religious (really depends on religion) you believe in guidelines handed to you. This is just my opinion and I hope people can respect it, as I respect yours. |
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| | Subject: Re: Religion Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:39 am | |
| | Mr.Ojohnson wrote: | | wel ive been a atheist since i was a child and have been critized about it since. people automatically assume im a devil worshiper and that im gonna sacrafice shit. but i just never got into the fact that their was something out their that could have created all of this, and alot of people dont like it but i hate the very thought of christians and all that because of certain things ive seen from them like corrupting the children to beleive that if someone doesnt beleive in god then you shouldnt hang around them or their devil worshipers and even grown men saying things i couldnt beleive like we should use up all of our natural resources because it doesnt really matter seeing how god is gonna save us anyway so lets just polute and do anything . but it also annoys me how some of these kids at school threaten you if you dont beleive in god and say that you could get jumped for saying things like god dam and its just really stupid because even i know that if god existed he wouldnt want you to be spreading his word around like this. |
So just because some christians are retards, you're an atheist?
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I don't approve of christians acting like "convert or die" or "you sinned, you're going to hell" or "I don't hang around infidel like you" or "if you aren't christian I'll critize your belief". Sadly, that's a large part of past and modern christians. It's not what the Bible teaches, so don't base the entire religion on something retards do.
| gurglus wrote: | As i stated in another post at this forum, I believe as many others here that Gods are inventions of man as an understandable solution to what the human brain can't understand. Such as what happens after you die. This is a good example of what religion is all about really, besides teaching how to live your life "right", it's about explaining what can't be explained. Surely you could prove that the body rots away, and explain it as natural, but you can't prove that your soul (if you believe in it) doesn't live on or is transported to heaven or hell. Likewise you can't prove that there is an all mighty God beyond our understanding controlling every single action. Surely some people gets a feeling of importance knowing that someone/something has laid a road for you to walk on, but how logical is that really? I'm not trying to offend believers, but I believe the reason we're here is very simple; We're simply here to reproduce ourself and to evolve into something different, just like our ancestors (If you're an Atheist).
To sum up. I believe that if you're an Atheist you believe in what science can prove, and if you're religious (really depends on religion) you believe in guidelines handed to you. This is just my opinion and I hope people can respect it, as I respect yours. |
Well spoken. Just as I said, if God created everything, it'd be beyond our logic.
I do think your living guidelines were very simplified, though. For christians it is about living and reproducing, but we can't forget the fact that it's about living for God. |
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| | Subject: Re: Religion Wed Aug 06, 2008 1:12 am | |
| Kids these days and their serious discussions!
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| | | | Mr.Ojohnson
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| | Subject: Re: Religion Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:01 pm | |
| | No not because some are retards, its mostl because i think i could just never beleive in a godly figure or anything higher above me. i dont see how someone or something could cause this much devastation to the world and not do anything so its not because the majority of the people, i just could never beeleive even if god appeared in front of me himself |
| | | | thuglife
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| | Subject: Re: Religion Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:00 pm | |
| | Mr.Ojohnson wrote: | | No not because some are retards, its mostl because i think i could just never beleive in a godly figure or anything higher above me. i dont see how someone or something could cause this much devastation to the world and not do anything so its not because the majority of the people, i just could never beeleive even if god appeared in front of me himself |
You're full of shit then, if god came infront of you...you'd be like "i dont belive it, you're not real, im just imagining this"
lol |
| | | | Oak
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| | Subject: Re: Religion Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:18 pm | |
| I'm Atheist. I respect religious freedom and I try my best to not offend my religious friends.
Rationality > Religion.
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| | | | PoliticalCrisis
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| | Subject: Re: Religion Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:39 pm | |
| FSM ( Flying Spaghetti Monster) Created the Universe with its Noodliness.
His Holly Noodlinesness is Beyond our Logical spectrum, THUS we cannot collect empirical evidence whatsoever to prove/disprove His Noodlinesness existence THEREFORE His Noodlinesness EXISTS.
Prove me wrong. I dare you.
RAMEN.
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| | | | Dannys
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| | Subject: Re: Religion Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:17 pm | |
| | PoliticalCrisis wrote: | FSM ( Flying Spaghetti Monster) Created the Universe with its Noodliness.
His Holly Noodlinesness is Beyond our Logical spectrum, THUS we cannot collect empirical evidence whatsoever to prove/disprove His Noodlinesness existence THEREFORE His Noodlinesness EXISTS.
Prove me wrong. I dare you.
RAMEN. |
ill go ahead and say it, stfu this is serious discussion for a reason.
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| | | | kitch
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| | Subject: Re: Religion Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:20 pm | |
| | Dannys wrote: | | PoliticalCrisis wrote: | FSM ( Flying Spaghetti Monster) Created the Universe with its Noodliness.
His Holly Noodlinesness is Beyond our Logical spectrum, THUS we cannot collect empirical evidence whatsoever to prove/disprove His Noodlinesness existence THEREFORE His Noodlinesness EXISTS.
Prove me wrong. I dare you.
RAMEN. |
ill go ahead and say it, stfu this is serious discussion for a reason. |
It's a registered Religion.
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| | | | PoliticalCrisis
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| | Subject: Re: Religion Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:34 am | |
| | kitch wrote: | | Dannys wrote: | | PoliticalCrisis wrote: | FSM ( Flying Spaghetti Monster) Created the Universe with its Noodliness.
His Holly Noodlinesness is Beyond our Logical spectrum, THUS we cannot collect empirical evidence whatsoever to prove/disprove His Noodlinesness existence THEREFORE His Noodlinesness EXISTS.
Prove me wrong. I dare you.
RAMEN. |
ill go ahead and say it, stfu this is serious discussion for a reason. |
It's a registered Religion. |
Ramen.
And about you yes, the one that said "Stfu this is serious discussion for a reason"...
If you weren't retarded enough you would have understood the sarcasm that I was pulling out of my ass.
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| | Subject: Re: Religion Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:05 am | |
| Welcome to the pearly gates in the clouds that are all nice and pretty, even though there has been no proof as to its existence.
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