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Rekam
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 |  Subject: Re: canibus  Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:40 am | |
| I play ball with alot of people who smoke weed, they personally are alright dudes. They can't play worth shit while high but they are aight.
But I'd say weed is just a image thing, people do it because they think its cool. You can't blame "rap" music for it, someone who listens 2 rap and is trying 2 act gangsta smoking weed is no different then some dude who thinks he some throwback smoking weed listening 2 Hendrix. Everyone who smokes weed is always verbal about it, I hear people talk about "when they were high" ect... I dont talk about smoking cigarettes nor anyone else I know who smokes talk about it. So why is weed any different? It isnt, everyone who smokes it just wants everyone 2 know they do. |
|   | | Icecubatron
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| | Subject: Re: canibus Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:46 pm | |
| I guess you guys make some good points, it's not entirely rap, but the whole idea of rebellion prominent in our culture. I guess I just forgot about the 60's while I was making my point. I still won't cede my point about a majority of violent crime not being associated with marijuana but more with alcohol and other harder (see: more addictive) drugs, and more prevalent with the current hip hop paradigm.
However, the argument is not even about music and rebellion, but about the legality of marijuana.
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| | Subject: Re: canibus Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:26 am | |
| | no it shouldnt, because then drug dealers would be out of business...that would be sad for them |
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| | Subject: Re: canibus Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:18 am | |
| | Not to mention, people looking to buy would probably have even less money afterwards since the government would probably look to put some sort of tax on it. |
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| | Subject: Re: canibus Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:22 am | |
| yeah right. if the government put a rediculous tax on weed, it would be the british tea taxes shennanigens all over.
it would be anarchy |
| | | | Icecubatron
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| | Subject: Re: canibus Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:28 am | |
| | roflapjack wrote: | | Not to mention, people looking to buy would probably have even less money afterwards since the government would probably look to put some sort of tax on it. |
Tax which could go to funding other social programs.
It's not like marijuana is physically addictive, it's less harmful financially and physically than cigarettes in that respect. The tax will have as little impact on the consumers as it does on the alcohol industry.
Also, don't comment on the high price of weed per gram. Since there is very little way for the government to control the market the prices can be artificially driven up and monopolies can form anyway. At least with some kind of control over the industry the price can be stabilized and reduced to compete with crime syndicates.
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| | Subject: Re: canibus Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:50 am | |
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No one ever commented on the price per gram. |
| | | | Icecubatron
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| | Subject: Re: canibus Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:31 pm | |
| No but you mentioned it would burn a hole in the consumers pocket. Which it most likely wouldn't.
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| | Subject: Re: canibus Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:25 pm | |
| Hmmm. I f i say i smoke weed, does that include me in the "everyone says they do to look cool" crowd? even on this topic?
If i don't say i smoke, but begin to point out why i think it should be legalized and how anything you read about it is actualy propaganda, does that make me a poser/sympathizer?
Well I do smoke. I don't smoke daily (anymore) but i smoke alot. And personaly i don't know wtf people are smokeing to "escape reality" but when i smoke pot i am still firmly grounded in reality. just stoned at the same time =P People get loopier and dumber on percription drugs for pain then they do on pot. anyone who starts acting completely retarded on pot is faking it.
There are, of course, the stereotypical stoners who are dumber then a box of rocks. but I don't think pot had anything to do with it. some people are jsut stupid to begin with and if they smoke pot as well...BINGO! we have a scapegoat.
Crime with pot being involved is not a direct result of pot. Its the direct result of someones conscious decision to do something.
Like that commercial where it showed the car full of stoners at the drive thru window 4 times in a row. each time they are more and more stoned. the 4th time they insinuate that they hit that little girl on the bike. Did pot make them hit that girl? no. them being previously distracted by jokeing with their friends while trying to eat fast food and not paying attention made therm hit that little girl. You could reply that commercial without the pot being involved and it has the possibility to play out the same.
I never drive when i smoke. Just like i never talk on my cell phone when i drive either. Why would i do something if i know I will not be able to give my full attention to the activity? I get "stuck" (some of you might know what i mean by that) w2hen i am super stoned with my friends playing halo. so if i know i can get that way playing a game, why would i risk driving if i happened to chief a blunt of some fire and was really stoned?
Like Ice said, you cannot blame the actions of people on a drug that does not alter reality in any way. Like..if they were all doing acid, then i could belive it..because that WILL twist your mind. But marijuana does not suddenly make you super aggressive, or violent, or suicidal, or anything like that.
Pot will make you just want to sit there and relax lol. |
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| | Subject: Re: canibus Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:24 pm | |
| | Icecubatron wrote: | | No but you mentioned it would burn a hole in the consumers pocket. Which it most likely wouldn't. |
If marijuana was ever legalized, the prices would more than likely rise rather than drop, and that, in addition to taxes, would probably "burn holes in the consumers' pockets." I don't see how you can vision it any other way. |
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| | Subject: Re: canibus Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:57 pm | |
| | roflapjack wrote: | | Icecubatron wrote: | | No but you mentioned it would burn a hole in the consumers pocket. Which it most likely wouldn't. |
If marijuana was ever legalized, the prices would more than likely rise rather than drop, and that, in addition to taxes, would probably "burn holes in the consumers' pockets." I don't see how you can vision it any other way. |
Actualy I don't think it would burn holes int eh consumers pockets. If it were legalized, sure the government kind would be expensive, but do you HONESTLY think people that were making their money by illegaly growing/selling it are just gonna stop? hell no lol.
They will still be growing and selling like they always were. Just like you can go out and pay an astronomic price for alchohol at the bar, or you can home brew stuff with a higher alcohol content
And if the government tried to slap laws against private distribution...that would be a DEE DEE DEE moment for the government. because they already have laws against it but we still do it anyway  |
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| | Subject: Re: canibus Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:17 pm | |
| | roflapjack wrote: | | Icecubatron wrote: | | No but you mentioned it would burn a hole in the consumers pocket. Which it most likely wouldn't. |
If marijuana was ever legalized, the prices would more than likely rise rather than drop, and that, in addition to taxes, would probably "burn holes in the consumers' pockets." I don't see how you can vision it any other way. |
Please explain why you imagine the price would increase. I've already said that the government would likely sell marijuana at a lower price to pull consumers away from drug dealers who lace their weed with god knows what, and with the government involved the monopoly the criminals created could be broken. With less people to support in Prison (see: largest prison population on the planet) with tax dollars and more people purchasing marijuana it will counter the current recessive trend we're experiencing and actually stimulate the economy, in effect lowering taxes and possibly interest rates. Jobs will be created by the government to grow and monitor the production and sale of marijuana. If they do it right legalized marijuana will be the greatest thing to happen to the economy since The New Deal.
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| | Subject: Re: canibus Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:33 am | |
| | Oh please. Marijuana needs to die, along with smoking and alcohol. Sure it provides temporary relief from stress, but that's about it. Sooner or later problems must be faced. Also, the negative side effects of marijuana are awful. Drugs serve no beneficial purpose to society at all. In fact, they tear apart the delicate threads that hold society together. |
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| | Subject: Re: canibus Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:50 am | |
| | AetherRex wrote: | | Oh please. Marijuana needs to die, along with smoking and alcohol. Sure it provides temporary relief from stress, but that's about it. |
That's about it? What about it's uses in relieving pressure on the eyes of Glaucoma sufferers? What about it's uses in treating Multiple Sclerosis? It's effects on Alzheimer's? And relieving pain as well as nausea?
| AetherRex wrote: | | Sooner or later problems must be faced. Also, the negative side effects of marijuana are awful. |
The side-effects are less harmful than the side-effects of birth control pills.
| AetherRex wrote: | | Drugs serve no beneficial purpose to society at all. In fact, they tear apart the delicate threads that hold society together. |
That argument would have some validity if it were only applied to heroin, meth, and PCP. Those are the ones that actually have negative side-effects due to their extremely physical addiction and incite violent tendencies while on or withdrawing from said drugs. Marijuana does not invoke violent emotions, there are no withdrawal symptoms, and any dependency is purely psychological, as in, it's not an issue with the substance as it is with the individual.
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| | | | lilrayray69
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| | Subject: Re: canibus Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:20 pm | |
| Medicimal purposes - Sure, give it to them if they really need it
Public - Hell no. Why would we want more people roaming around high as a kite? That is the very very very last thing this country needs. |
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